Friday, May 7, 2010

Marvin...

The Hawks have to do something in the off-season to address their small-forward position. I am about fed up with Marvin Williams and his lack of play-making. Small-forward is a spot where you need a guy that can create, shoot, rebound, and make plays in general. While Marvin has shown the ability to do most of these things well at times, he has yet to come close to any form of consistency in his 5 years in the league.

Some Hawk fans may be intrigued with what Marvin may be able to do as a 2nd or 3rd option. Not me. That scenario scares me to death. The starting small-forwards in the league are mostly guys that are big-time scorers or at least 3 point or defensive specialists. Marvin seems to be right at below-average to average in all attributes desired by an elite small-forward.

Marvin this season played an average of 30 minutes per game. He scored 10 ppg, 5 rpg, and 1 apg in his 30 minutes. There has to be more production from that spot in those 30 minutes. The average starting small forward in the league plays 30 mpg as well. However, the averages are higher in ppg, rpg, and apg.

Marvin - Mpg - 30 / Ppg - 10.1 / Rpg - 5.1 / Apg - 1.1
Average - MpG - 30 / Ppg - 14.2 / Rpg - 5.1 / Apg - 2.3

Looking at these numbers further, it appears there are 3 guys who would fit the mold of "average NBA starting small forward."

Trevor Ariza
Tayshaun Prince
Danilo Gallinari


Marvin is no-where near any of these 3 guys as far as being a starting NBA small-forward. You have a couple of defensive specialists, 1 lights-out shooter, and 2 good shooters.

It's getting to the point where Marvin isn't just a bust because the team passed on Paul/Deron/Felton, but because he just isn't good enough to warrant a #2 pick. He is still 23, but 5 years in the league should be enough to show what kind of player you can be.

Maybe he still has upside? Maybe there is a team out there who likes him? Maybe the Hawks can package Josh/Marvin for a center or point guard?

I had a little fun with the ESPN trade machine with this. Here is the accepted deal I came up with.

ATL outgoing - Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, 2010 1st Round Pick
ATL incoming - Kirk Hinrich, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, James Johnson

Would Chicago do this? Maybe, if they miss out on LeBron/Wade and sign Chris Bosh. They could build around Rose/Smoove/Bosh and still have Marvin/Thomas/Miller/Pargo and 2 1st rounders + Cap space.

Atlanta could resign Joe, bring back J-Chillz and start

Hinrich/Joe/Childress/Horford/Noah with Crawford/Evans/ZaZa/Gibson/Johnson/Teague off the bench.

If you can't tell, I've lost all hope for this series. I'll still root like hell in Game 3, though...

For those interested, here are the forwards used to compile the averages used.

Player MPG PPG RPG APG





M. Williams (ATL) 30.5 10.1 5.1 1.1
Pierce (BOS) 34 18.3 4.4 3.4
Wallace (CHA) 41 18.2 10 2.2
Deng (CHI) 38 17.7 7.3 2
James (CLE) 39 29.7 7.3 8.6
Marion (DAL) 31.8 12 6.4 1.4
Anthony (DEN) 38.2 28.2 6.6 3.2
Prince (DET) 34 13.5 5.1 3.3
Maggette (GSW) 29.7 19.8 5.3 2.8
Ariza (HOU) 36.5 14.9 5.6 3.8
Granger (IND) 36.7 24.1 5.5 2.8
Butler (LAC) 33 11.9 2.9 1.4
Artest (LAL) 33.8 11.1 4.3 3
Gay (MEM) 39.7 19.6 5.9 1.9
Richardson (MIA) 27.4 8.9 4.9 1.2
Delfino (MIL) 30.4 11 5.3 2.7
Gomes (MIN) 29.1 10.9 4.6 1.6
Williams (NJN) 22.6 8.4 4.5 2.9
Peterson (TOR) 21.2 7.1 2.7 0.9
Gallinari (NYK) 33.9 15.1 4.9 1.7
Durant (OKC) 39.5 30.1 7.6 2.8
Barnes (ORL) 25.9 8.8 5.9 1.7
Kapono (PHI) 17.1 5.7 1.2 0.7
Hill (PHO) 30 11.3 5.5 2.4
Batum (POR) 24.8 10.1 3.8 1.2
Nocioni (SAC) 19.7 8.5 3 1
Jefferson (SAS) 31.1 12.3 4.4 2
Wright (TOR) 20.8 6.5 2.8 1.1
Miles (UTA) 23.8 9.9 2.7 1.7
Miller (WAS) 33.4 10.9 6.2 3.9






MPG PPG RPG APG





Averages 30.9 14.2 5.1 2.3

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